Is it really that bad?
Reading within this forum it looks like ER is the worst place to be in finance right now. Is it really that bad? and why?
Reading within this forum it looks like ER is the worst place to be in finance right now. Is it really that bad? and why?
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Who said that? ER is one of the best places to start your finance career. I’d say IB, ER, and consulting are top 3 places to start a career for college graduates who have no concrete plans / ideas on what they want to do in the near-term.
Long term, ER is probably the first branch to be sliced due to the innovations in AI
Why would ER be axed before a middle-office data analysis role?
I meant in terms of “high cost, high finance” seats
Ehhh it’s okay I suppose. A lot of the money in ER is at the top but pay isn’t terrible. You could clear 150 as a first year. Exits are decent with some moving to banking / HF / LO. Depends on what you want in a career
I think that ER is uniquely disappointing for many. That’s because it’s not understood as well as IB, consulting, tech, law, medicine, and most other “prestigious” professional careers that graduates of elite schools pursue.
A lot of students think, “this is going to be amazing…I get to do meaningful analysis and writing (rather than move around logos on PowerPoint slides), I’m going to meet management and investors rather than be shut away in a bullpen, I’m going to be treated like a human being, and, I’m going to do all this…plus make roughly the same pay as my friends in IB … working ~20 fewer hours per week.
Then…you realize that all of those things are (at least partially) false. As a junior, you’re very much moving around logos in PowerPoint. You’re left behind to toil in the bullpen while the senior analysts travel and meet management. An earnings week is as bad, if not worse, as anything an IB analyst stares down, and, if you’re in a hot sector, you’re working more than the average IB junior… for meaningfully less pay. All that, and you’re faced with constant talk about how there’s no amazing PE exit at the end of the rainbow… and top-tier investment buyside roles are extremely difficult to land.
It’s demoralizing, for many. But why? Because people often enter it thinking that it is an alternative to IB. They enter it with the wrong mindset.
Despite the “busywork,” I still think that sell-side ER is the best place in the street to learn, from zero, how to analyze a company for investment potential; from a skills perspective, I think it’s the single best training ground on the Street. It’s also, in some ways (and I know this will sound cheesy), and “Ellis Island” of Wall Street… I’ve seen people from science, from data consulting…even mid-level employees within the hospitality industry… break in, and go on to have meaningful careers in finance they never thought they’d have, using ER as their entry point. It is also the closest non-quant junior role that the sell side has to a meritocracy; if you can model, write, pitch, and defend, there’s nothing keeping you from being on the trajectory for a seven-figure HF PM role. You’ll get the recruiter reach-outs and the opportunities. You just have to be really, really good to seize them.
So, in some, if your attitude is: “I’m going to transition into finance, get world-class training, become the absolute best analyst, and fight for a top-tier buyside role or die trying,” there’s no better entry point than sell-side ER.
But if you’re a college sophomore and you’re just trying to apples-to-apples which path, IB or ER, will provide you with the highest risk-adjusted and even hour adjusted comp + exits for an average performer, I’m telling you now, choose IB. It wins hands down.
As most of us — whether we admit it or not — are in category two (and there’s nothing wrong with that), I think that a lot of people in ER either regret it and wish they were in IB, or would have preferred IB from the outset but view ER as “the job they got, and better than not being on Wall Street.”
And, yeah, if you take 20 finance-bound Ivy grads and give them a choice between IB and ER, probably 18 will pick IB. And maybe one who picks ER will do so because they simply don’t want to work IB hours, and will hope for a “cushy” seat in a quiet sector. But that remaining one…the one pursuing ER for the love of the game … for him or her, the sky is the limit. He or she is my vote for “most likely to succeed” in this industry, hands down.
Yes this isn’t right. I made 200k my first year and traveled around quite a bit meeting management (10+ trips my first year). I also have an MD maybe it’s different for you guys… also I’ve gotten many recruiting opportunities for HF’s… it’s been great tbh! I’m about to leave for a top HF in my space.
200k as a first-year out of university in sell-side ER?
I’ve never heard of that in ER. In fact, I’ve never heard of that in IB, outside of a few EBs and maybe some top bucket analysts in top groups at top BBs in amazing years.
I agree on the HF recruitment piece. Having top HFs biz dev reach out to me on LinkedIn after less than a year on the job has been a pleasant surprise. As I’ve said, if you’re a top performer, the opportunities are there.
ER also differs much more from shop-to-shop due to the Analyst you work under. IB has less variability in general on the Street.
Will also add that it depends on the sector. I have an advanced science degree and every single mentor in the space told me to do a couple of years in bio ER to learn the ropes. And I’m thankful I listened. My junior experience is also nothing as you described - I’ve went on multiple solo trips for my Analyst, meet with all investors/management, go to all events we put on (both social and company ones), have a ton of autonomy to write on topics that the industry actually care about (i.e. a hard hitting piece I put out as a 1 year junior is still referenced by multiple BS when we see each other - real alpha they tell me), etc.
I do agree with some points, however. But maybe people should think twice about going to a BB for ER vs working for an Analyst at a smaller shop that is actually respected by BS and is “in the know.”
As a last data point for my sector (biotech), out of the big three (MS, JPM, GS), there’s collectively 1 Analyst I know that people care about talking to. Seriously, 1, out of all bio analysts at all BBs…. Compare with MM bio teams and smaller shops, just way different. Plus, they make more than BBs.
Were you an analyst one right out of school?
I’m seeing a lot of pushback to my comment coming from people who were in biotech (or a PhD program) and joined as a senior associate. That’s the equivalent of someone who has been working for 3-4 years. Not comparable to the first-year experience at all.
Wait curious on who you think this analyst is… care to PM? Also in the biotech space.
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