To Err is Paulson

John Paulson has become an old school Wall Street rock star over the past few years. He made a killing shorting MBS when every fool and his pension fund manager was gobbling them up quicker than Brett Favre in a Percocet factory.

At a time when bankers and traders of all shapes and sizes were taking it on the chin, Paulson reminded the young enterprising financier that he was always really just one directional bet away from fame, power, stardom and wealth beyond his wildest dreams.

This is precisely why many of us were shocked to hear about Paulson losing over $500 million dollars on Sino Forest. It just didn’t seem right that a guy who made a ton off the careful nitpicky analysis of real estate mortgage bundles, would get taken to the cleaners buying into a company which has largely been exposed as a Ponzi Scheme.

Furthermore, Paulson is sticking to his guns in claiming that he actually made the right call on Sino Forest. I find these claims quite comical and infantile. Daily loses in the hundreds of millions do not occur without tectonic market shifts or evidence of fraud. In this particular case it was Sino Forest’s duping of ignorant investors (like Paulson) which led to their stock’s plummeting price.

This leads me to wonder if any big money manager is really as good as we like to think they are. There are a great many analogies made between Wall Street and the world of professional sports. This particular situation is the reason why I find those comparisons inadequate. The best professional athletes lay it all on the line against top competition every day, without information asymmetry. They have no major advantages over each other. Big money managers like Paulson, however, have armies of analysts beneath them, seas of secretive data streams around them and a mountain of wealth behind them. Yet when these superstars screw up, the fallouts are monumental.
That is why I ask you all the following: Isn’t it time we took men like John Paulson of the mantle?

Isn’t it time to address the reality of their glaring fallacies and treat them like humans?

Isn’t it time to ask questions such as why are you investing money in a Ponzi

Scheme and then saying it was a smart play?

I get that we all want to make money and be the big swinging dick masters of the universe, but at what price? Read between the lines here folks. There’s a lot of fucked up shit going on and we are co-signing too much of it.

 

Didn't he just rebound nicely from the Sino loss?

- Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs get slaughtered. - The harder you work, the luckier you become. - I believe in the "Golden Rule": the man with the gold rules.
 
Edmundo Braverman:
Ske7ch:
Didn't he just rebound nicely from the Sino loss?

According to reports, he sold completely out of the position in the $2-3 range. If true, he took a pounding. The stock more or less doubled from where he sold out.

I was referring to the Lehman bonds or something of that nature that he paid 7 cents on the dollar for and sold for ~21 cents on the dollar.

- Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs get slaughtered. - The harder you work, the luckier you become. - I believe in the "Golden Rule": the man with the gold rules.
 

A-Rod in a hitting slump, Mariano blowing that World Series save.....do you doubt their Godlike skill or ability to strike fear into the heart of men? The lack of losses does not a God make. Even in the face of the greatest hardships, they are unbroken and unwaiveringd. Even at their low point, they are a threat and that is what makes them gods among men.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 

From what I know... when he ran out mortgage backs to short he helped create(package) more with Goldman. After Goldman pitched them to clients he continued his shorting campaign. He saw he had a winner and did whatever he had to do to add to his hand in this zero-sum game. If my statement is truly a 100% fact, the man isn't a market wizard just in the right place at the right time per se...

Please don't make me talk to you like an asshole...
 

I think the half a billion from the Lehman win pares the loss of the half a billion on Sino.

So Paulsen's still looking sharp here.

Looking for a Finance Job - currently unemployed.
 

Once again, Paulson only lost $107 million on Sino Forest and made over $700 million on the Lehman debt. His average cost for Sino Forest shares was $9, and he started dumping at $20.

-MBP
 

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