DB - which group to choose? - London

Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted Deleted
Deleted

 

This is a long one so buckle in. My number one advice is this - choose your group based on the people there. The work you do won't mean shit if you're working under horrible people. 

You say you're interested in M&A but this is not one of the teams you have listed. Either way, avoid it. It is overrated and not worth it. Firstly, deal flow has not picked up enough to be thinking about doing M&A. Avoid speculation and attempting to read into the future. Secondly, modelling is done within the industry teams. Sure, you might have the occasional guy from M&A staffed on a deal who gets handed the model. That's only because the industry team didn't want to do it - in which case, good luck. But two caveats to this point:

  1. When you're staffed on a deal things move quick - you know it's real. This is in contrast to the false starts that happen within industry groups, even if they claim that this time it'll really be the one. I would just avoid it.
  2. If you care about rankings, then Deutsche Bank is pretty strong. They've been on some impressive deals recently and keeping up with the leaders. 

LevFin is an interesting group. At the moment, capital markets product teams actually seem to be doing pretty well...at least with the BB that I'm familiar with. And this makes sense more broadly. Not only are sponsors being forced to renegotiate terms on existing debt but the same holds true for corporates. Very interesting space to be in. You didn't mention this but I'll say it anyways - avoid ECM. No one's even listing on the LSE anymore lol. Here's my thoughts on the rests

  • FIG: DB's FIG team isn't the greatest in the City but don't let that stop you from considering it. I also considered FIG but in the end decided not to go for it. Looking back, I don't know why I was obsessed with it 
  • TMT: Yeah it's a classic. Don't think you can go wrong here. +1 if it's lead by a great team
  • Industrials: Again, not DB's greatest team. But screw rankings. I think Industrials is an exciting space to be in with lots of deal flow. Or at least from the places I'm familiar with. 
  • RE: Not too familiar with it, definitely not as abstract as FIG. I am aware that DB's REGLL is pretty strong though. Niche but strong.
  • Consumer: You should avoid Consumer like the plague if you care about deal flow. I bet that desk rivals the Sahara Desert 
  • Healthcare: One of the toughest groups to be in. I don't know much about it (someone else can chip in) but I am willing to make the generalisation that it will be sweaty. Only choose if you KNOW that's the one

Still, network with the teams and talk to them. I'm confident that you'll know your answer then. Besides, if you actually make a good impression, then some groups will call dibs on you 

 

The only part I can agree about is choosing teams based on culture. Rest is largely misinformation - as someone who worked there for 5+ yrs and continue to have lots of friends there and see them on deals.

Industrials is by far the best team at DB. It’s one of the strongest on the street.

TMT relatively weaker than US banks but has good deal flow although more financing than M&A.
Consumer - historically not the strongest, Heard good things about the new guy from BoA leading it. 
REGLL - ok but sweatshop. Decent M&A and financing flow.
There is no M&A focused team at DB with juniors but there are MDs who specialise in M&A and they’ve hired a few heavy hitters from elsewhere recently. Don’t know if this changed recently.
LevFin is a good team and activity is picking up again. Like the team there and work with them a fair bit on deals. One of the strongest on the street.

Corp and SSA DCM also nice people who I see on deals and one of the stronger ones on the street.

ECM Europe excluding dach is covered out of London. They don’t just do LSE as indicated above. Didn’t work a lot with them as on the debt side. 

 

Thanks for contributing. It is always good to hear answers from people who are there. As suggested in my reply, I was drawing upon experiences from US BBs in London as well as the hearsay from DB London

Would suggest onlookers to look at replies like this and others. Though there is in fact a UK M&A team and that my advice on M&A still rings true :)

 

What do you mean soon? Are you 6months off cycle? One thing I can definitely recommend is to talk to the teams - they used to provide all interns with names of people you can reach out to. Treat it as an another selection process as if you do not talk to them, they might not select you. In particular, both TMT and Industrials would expect you to reach out to them. As mentioned above - REGLL is really good team - smaller than TMT or Industrials but they have really good deal flow. 

 
Most Helpful

Im at DB, likely saw your CV today along with all the other off cycles. Congrats on getting the offer. Pointers on team selection:
 

  • Healthcare: avoid like the plague, awful culture and deal flow 
  • Industrials: Emea head is a deal machine, but you will get grinded hard. High churn, some toxic mid level guys, but great learning experience, strong exit opps. Thick skin essential
  • TMT: probably one of the best sector teams at DB, perpetually growing, strong MDs. Reasonable mid levels to some extent, but bloated at VP level, so it can get tough for juniors. Overall a strong choice
  • LevFin: Strongest product team at DB, and one of the best on the street. Downsized from 40+ last year to 27-28. Definitely has a lot of tough characters who will make your life difficult, but incredible deal flow on the left. Hard to provide insight on this one since its a product vs sector question
  • REGLL: Strongest REGLL team on the street last year. Bit lean considering deal flow, juniors up to vps grind hard. Don’t join unless you have a clear interest in RE or Gaming- at the end of the day it’s all corporate finance, and people do lateral, but it’s harder to succeed if you don’t care about the sector
  • Consumer: Strongly disagree with comment above, it is quite outdated and out of the loop. DB hired about 3-4 MDs in consumer, incl former head at CS, team is definitely on the up. Also grind hard cause there are no capable guys at all at the mid level, since team basically didnt exist a year ago
 

FIG team is nothing special to be honest. You'd have to really like the sector to join it.

I dont think the M&A team takes juniors in any event, I thought it was seniors only but could be wrong. Unless you are talking about UK M&A which now sits within Numis. It's probably a good team, but I've heard mixed things about how well the integration with Numis is going.

Industrials (which I believe extends to sectors like infrastructure and chemicals), TMT, Regll and lev fin are the best teams. Industrials is the biggest team with heavy financial sponsor driven deal flow. It's a very good team, but as others have mentioned, is full of lunatics and psychos. Consumer is on the rise again, with good senior hires. It used to be DBs strongest team 5 years ago and hopefully will recover within a few years.

 

Incoming intern. appreciate the detailed answer. Besides the quality of each teams, I assume we should also look at chances of conversion to FT especially given the poor job market environment. From that perspective, what are the teams to avoid? For instance LDCM/LevFin is considered a top group but heard that getting the return offer is a grind

 

Industrials always needs bodies, so people always get converted. Similarly, Consumer and REGLL will convert as well cause theyre lean. Honestly, dont see off cycle not get converted unless its some special circumstances, people will always prefer you over the summers or direct FT hires on grounds of more training and experience at the desk. 

 

element_rush

Im at DB, likely saw your CV today along with all the other off cycles. Congrats on getting the offer. Pointers on team selection:
 

  • Healthcare: avoid like the plague, awful culture and deal flow 
  • Industrials: Emea head is a deal machine, but you will get grinded hard. High churn, some toxic mid level guys, but great learning experience, strong exit opps. Thick skin essential
  • TMT: probably one of the best sector teams at DB, perpetually growing, strong MDs. Reasonable mid levels to some extent, but bloated at VP level, so it can get tough for juniors. Overall a strong choice
  • LevFin: Strongest product team at DB, and one of the best on the street. Downsized from 40+ last year to 27-28. Definitely has a lot of tough characters who will make your life difficult, but incredible deal flow on the left. Hard to provide insight on this one since its a product vs sector question
  • REGLL: Strongest REGLL team on the street last year. Bit lean considering deal flow, juniors up to vps grind hard. Don’t join unless you have a clear interest in RE or Gaming- at the end of the day it’s all corporate finance, and people do lateral, but it’s harder to succeed if you don’t care about the sector
  • Consumer: Strongly disagree with comment above, it is quite outdated and out of the loop. DB hired about 3-4 MDs in consumer, incl former head at CS, team is definitely on the up. Also grind hard cause there are no capable guys at all at the mid level, since team basically didnt exist a year ago

DB Industrials is tough but I wouldn't go so far as to call it toxic. It's great experience if you're willing to put in the work. WLB is a consideration as the Industrials juniors are always the last to go home.

 

Had a great fit with the people in LevFin as well! The only thing that worries me is the cyclicality aspect

 

There are almost no circumstances in which you will create a model for a client deliverable till you have spent at least 6-8 months as a FT analyst. This is a typical question from someone who is new to this job, so it’s fine, but keep in mind that modelling is a small part of this job. There are many different things you need to learn before you get to modelling, and many things you will learn after you have mastered modelling. 

 

For the best group in London, consider factors like location, interests, and activities. Research local clubs, meetups, or social groups catering to your hobbies or professional interests. Attend a few gatherings to assess the atmosphere and compatibility before committing. Choose the one that aligns best with your preferences and goals.

 

Eos perspiciatis non deleniti et et est iure. Et nesciunt quasi et et mollitia commodi.

Odio corrupti itaque ea voluptas magni. Possimus quo illum occaecati inventore ex ut. Et expedita libero ratione nesciunt reiciendis officia. Quas quia velit tempore totam voluptatibus odio. Temporibus culpa ad dolorem omnis consequatur ad blanditiis repellendus.

Voluptas accusantium iste dicta repellat facere animi autem. Et aut nemo sit quasi inventore. Explicabo animi corporis veritatis voluptatibus quia. Quasi perferendis qui id dolorum voluptas voluptatem itaque. Minima necessitatibus sequi dolorem eligendi cum. Ut ratione sit distinctio hic ullam ut.

Career Advancement Opportunities

June 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Perella Weinberg Partners New 98.9%
  • Lazard Freres 01 98.3%
  • Harris Williams & Co. 24 97.7%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

June 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 19 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.9%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 05 97.7%
  • Moelis & Company 01 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

June 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.9%
  • Perella Weinberg Partners 18 98.3%
  • Goldman Sachs 16 97.7%
  • Moelis & Company 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

June 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (22) $375
  • Associates (94) $260
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (69) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (206) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (149) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
3
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
4
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
5
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
6
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
7
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
8
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
9
Linda Abraham's picture
Linda Abraham
98.8
10
DrApeman's picture
DrApeman
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”