DB - which group to choose? - London
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This is a long one so buckle in. My number one advice is this - choose your group based on the people there. The work you do won't mean shit if you're working under horrible people.
You say you're interested in M&A but this is not one of the teams you have listed. Either way, avoid it. It is overrated and not worth it. Firstly, deal flow has not picked up enough to be thinking about doing M&A. Avoid speculation and attempting to read into the future. Secondly, modelling is done within the industry teams. Sure, you might have the occasional guy from M&A staffed on a deal who gets handed the model. That's only because the industry team didn't want to do it - in which case, good luck. But two caveats to this point:
LevFin is an interesting group. At the moment, capital markets product teams actually seem to be doing pretty well...at least with the BB that I'm familiar with. And this makes sense more broadly. Not only are sponsors being forced to renegotiate terms on existing debt but the same holds true for corporates. Very interesting space to be in. You didn't mention this but I'll say it anyways - avoid ECM. No one's even listing on the LSE anymore lol. Here's my thoughts on the rests
Still, network with the teams and talk to them. I'm confident that you'll know your answer then. Besides, if you actually make a good impression, then some groups will call dibs on you
Do sector teams in London also cover Germany? Or do they have their own industry coverage based in Frankfurt for that region?
Sector teams, incl mine, covers German region. Juniors on the continent at DB are all m&a and ecm product guys, so junior coverage is all based out of germany. Senior coverage MDs are usually based locally ofc
Thanks for answering.
The only part I can agree about is choosing teams based on culture. Rest is largely misinformation - as someone who worked there for 5+ yrs and continue to have lots of friends there and see them on deals.
Industrials is by far the best team at DB. It’s one of the strongest on the street.
TMT relatively weaker than US banks but has good deal flow although more financing than M&A.
Consumer - historically not the strongest, Heard good things about the new guy from BoA leading it.
REGLL - ok but sweatshop. Decent M&A and financing flow.
There is no M&A focused team at DB with juniors but there are MDs who specialise in M&A and they’ve hired a few heavy hitters from elsewhere recently. Don’t know if this changed recently.
LevFin is a good team and activity is picking up again. Like the team there and work with them a fair bit on deals. One of the strongest on the street.
Corp and SSA DCM also nice people who I see on deals and one of the stronger ones on the street.
ECM Europe excluding dach is covered out of London. They don’t just do LSE as indicated above. Didn’t work a lot with them as on the debt side.
Thanks for contributing. It is always good to hear answers from people who are there. As suggested in my reply, I was drawing upon experiences from US BBs in London as well as the hearsay from DB London
Would suggest onlookers to look at replies like this and others. Though there is in fact a UK M&A team and that my advice on M&A still rings true :)
Don't listen to this guy, he obviously doesn't work there as all of his info is inaccurate
What do you mean soon? Are you 6months off cycle? One thing I can definitely recommend is to talk to the teams - they used to provide all interns with names of people you can reach out to. Treat it as an another selection process as if you do not talk to them, they might not select you. In particular, both TMT and Industrials would expect you to reach out to them. As mentioned above - REGLL is really good team - smaller than TMT or Industrials but they have really good deal flow.
Thanks for answering.
Im at DB, likely saw your CV today along with all the other off cycles. Congrats on getting the offer. Pointers on team selection:
Thanks for answering.
FIG team is nothing special to be honest. You'd have to really like the sector to join it.
I dont think the M&A team takes juniors in any event, I thought it was seniors only but could be wrong. Unless you are talking about UK M&A which now sits within Numis. It's probably a good team, but I've heard mixed things about how well the integration with Numis is going.
Industrials (which I believe extends to sectors like infrastructure and chemicals), TMT, Regll and lev fin are the best teams. Industrials is the biggest team with heavy financial sponsor driven deal flow. It's a very good team, but as others have mentioned, is full of lunatics and psychos. Consumer is on the rise again, with good senior hires. It used to be DBs strongest team 5 years ago and hopefully will recover within a few years.
Incoming intern. appreciate the detailed answer. Besides the quality of each teams, I assume we should also look at chances of conversion to FT especially given the poor job market environment. From that perspective, what are the teams to avoid? For instance LDCM/LevFin is considered a top group but heard that getting the return offer is a grind
Industrials always needs bodies, so people always get converted. Similarly, Consumer and REGLL will convert as well cause theyre lean. Honestly, dont see off cycle not get converted unless its some special circumstances, people will always prefer you over the summers or direct FT hires on grounds of more training and experience at the desk.
DB Industrials is tough but I wouldn't go so far as to call it toxic. It's great experience if you're willing to put in the work. WLB is a consideration as the Industrials juniors are always the last to go home.
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Which coverage group lines up with your degree if you don’t mind?
Had a great fit with the people in LevFin as well! The only thing that worries me is the cyclicality aspect
Thanks for sharing! Can you please share your knowledge, if you can, of the return rates in these groups? That'd be truly helpful. Thanks again in advance!
Thanks for answering.
There are almost no circumstances in which you will create a model for a client deliverable till you have spent at least 6-8 months as a FT analyst. This is a typical question from someone who is new to this job, so it’s fine, but keep in mind that modelling is a small part of this job. There are many different things you need to learn before you get to modelling, and many things you will learn after you have mastered modelling.
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Can someone do this for NY?
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